God bless. We dont redeem ourselves. There is a consistent argument in these comments concerning the nature of condemnation from admonish/warn. I think it is necessary to delve into this matter. Catholics must keep their heads on straight and not wander from Church teachings, but praying at an apparition site is not wrong. No less. I affirm to you, my daughter, that each Hail Mary prayed from a loving heart will rescue one of these innocent lives from death by abortion. The person who wrote you quoted several canons about the rights of the faithful, but has ignored canon 223 which speaks of taking into account the common good of the Church and the obligation of ecclesiastical authority, in view of the common good, to regulate the exercise of the rights of the faithful. I have asked repeatedly in the on line conversation, following your article, for others to give to me one line from the messagesjust one linethat contradicts the full teaching of the Catholic Faith. After reading through the explanations of why certain messages must be regarded as false, it helps readers to be more discerning. Otherwise well meaning people are disenchanted by a perception of a lack of people fulfilling their office(s). The problem, however, comes later when/if the predictions fail (like Conyers and so many others), the church disapproves of the messages and gatherings, the visionaries disregard the church, lawsuits come forth (like, again, Conyers, between Our Loving Mother whatever and Nancy Fowler), etc. Decrees Evidently there is fuller need to elaborate further, Kevin. I just find it so sad that this place is set up right beside a genuine Apparition Site here In Ireland. None of these letters are dated after Bishop Lennons 2009 Letter. Then, all their gains are lost. After Thomas challenged my article, I wrote to Fr. It is what it is. Get it? You *will* have to answer for that someday, even though you may not believe that now The bishop is not infallable, and people must use their own discernment. If the bishop who told you that the living Christ was not present in the host after Mass told you to put the remaining hosts in the garbage, would you obey him? This again, is the issue of either cooperating with grace, or rejecting grace. Mother Teresa replied that, if their kneeling was a problem, they would leave the diocese. The Church authorities were WRONG. She is the Spouse of the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit, Who is One with Her through grace FLOWS THROUGH HER. HLM teaches the truths of the Catholic Faith in full. He is not bound by Church law or by your unimaginative assessment of what He would do. It is really the same motivation of those who visit approved shrines. Excellent, pertinent points. Can you repost the link? And obviously, I am no way biased against mystics and visionariesin fact the entire Mystics of the Church website is in support of them. I would reply to you that the messages imply that the remnant faithful are those who adhere to Holy Love, i.e., you and those like you who continue to cling to the site. The messages quoted by Jesus, Mary, and St. Joan of Arc seem to have really taken hold of this person (and so many others). The math simply doesnt add up! Be attentive. Apparitions at Holy Love Ministries Revisited : Catholic Lane Holy Love: You will have wars and insurrections You were created through My Divine Will to know Me and to love Me above all things. Everyone must follow their conscience. You will be looking for a canon law to cover the situation. For once in 40 years the faithful have the opportunity to learn what their bishops should have been teaching them all along. The Holy Spirit will certainly guide each of us if and when we have that sincere Love hopefully Holy Love! And anywhere the Heaven has touched down onto a privileged soul, you will find that either the home or place where they continued to TRULY appear have never been sold! At the time of the apparition my daughter saw the Blessed Mother herself. Another person said that her fallen-away Catholic friend that once ridiculed the site became a believer. The topic is disobedience to the Bishop. It did not make sense. I have a close friend who is a member of this organization(its not a catholic site and priests are not allowed to say mass by the bishop.) recently Pope Benedict XV1 applied pressure to the Bishops when he stated that no monies should be given to organizations not in line with Church teachings. This is why we have a Church where only 20% or so believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist. 3221 is a goner and is a member of the Holy Love Church. "No. And may their souls and the souls of all the faithful departed, through the mercy of God, rest in peace. Actual apparitions (as distinguished from hallucinations or other psychological phenomena) can only be from one of two sources: God (supernatural) or an influence of the devil (demonic, preternatural). No way. This is defiance on the part of the bishops against Christs Church. Lest I be accused of quoting Thomas of Aquinas from the messages of Holy Love, let me assure you that I used only his words and ideas from his great work the Summa theologica. The principle of self knowledge coming before union with God is fundamental in Catholic mystical theology.. You can find the same principle expounded in the writings of St.Teresa of Avila, and St. John of the Cross to name two others.. The implication is these bad people (whoever they may be) are attempting to suppress a message purported to be from heaven. Hildebrand says,If there are only a few persons who belileve the true Faith, they are the Church. (Catholic Apologetics). Again, LOOK UP AQUINAS TEACHING ON WHEN TO DISOBEY A BISHOP. I have come to ask you some questions to help you to think like citizens of Heaven, not of earth..My brothers and sisters, you must not place OFFICE and AUTHORITY and TITLE above the TRUTH., I, your Eternal Father, call you here. God never violates our free will, as He wants our liberty to be intact, and it gives Him so much glory when we DO CHOOSE (through our free will) to accept His grace and allow it to flow into our soul. No wonder the world,particularly the USA is in such a mess-morally and spiritually. 2) Clergy are forbidden to celebrate the Sacraments on HLM grounds. Patti and her husband, Mark, live in North Dakota, where they raised their 10 children. 3221 came right back to me saying (words to the effect) that it did happen even if I couldnt verify it!!!!!!!!!!! I just read in the Summa Theologica that disobedience is right when a church authority is teaching heresy. I thank God for Holy Love!!! Only three are listed on the HLM Testimonies page. Bishop Lennons statement said it was a warning and that is what is wasa warning. But, unfortunately many who are seeking for something in life to fill a void they may have, want to be able to fill this void by going to such places as the above. We are sorry that the bishop has taken this position. Obedience. God bless, Tom. Will you be seeking an Imprimatur and a Nihil obstat? The Catholics of this country, for long years now, have been denied the full and deep doctrine of the Mass,the sacraments, sin, grace and purgatory. How could false messages result in so many good fruits, such as to increase prayers and devotion to God, Mary and the saints? It is regarding the identity of the "restrainer" who holds back the antichrist from entering the Catholic Church and how much time is left for the restrainer to protect Holy Mother Church. the Church still reserves judgement, as it has not officially condemned HLM. Unfortunately, they do for that fakery-or demonic trickery- in a small Bosnian village). St. Thomas insists that the virtue of obedience must be to the true Faith. According to the knowledge, competence, and prestige which they possess, they have the right and even at times the duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church and to make their opinion known to the rest of the Christian faithful, without prejudice to the integrity of faith and morals, with reverence toward their pastors, and attentive to common advantage and the dignity of persons. I dont think God will hold it against me if I dont. Heaven calls you here.. Now your church and country are in trouble and we are here to help and pray for all of you. Menu and widgets. I foresee a head-exploding coming our way in response to your comment, Harry! There are bishops and mystical theologians who say HLM is profound theology. And what did Padre Pio do when the Bishop ordered him to stop? I suggest you read Aquinas on obedience instead. Those in love with God naturally crave closeness to Him. Again, Bishop Lennon does not have canonical authority to condemn something if there is no matter of condemnation. Many, really do not know what they are doing. Certainly not. see how the apparitions to father gobbi and sister faustina were treated and all the apparitions of the bmv and u just might, just might see where we are in the present age.. the high clergy treated the lord in a shamful manner and now for the last almost two hundred yrs the visionaries and appearnces of the the bvm are being treated in the way of the intellect because the old deceiver has learned the way of the western civilization is prideful and greedy. So he abandoned the responsibilities of his vocation, fatherhood, and took on these other responsibilities. "If the soul accepts the grace of conversion and, with a repentant heart passes through the Doorway of Divine Mercy, he finds himself in the Immaculate Heart of the Virgin, therein to prosper in holiness." "The Sacred Heart of Jesus mourns the loss of those souls who, through the compromise of Truth, reject God's Mercy and return to the world." The founders and visionary claim it is ecumenical and therefore does not fall under Catholic Church authority. i believe there were over a hundred clergy in non holy relationships for many yrs and overlooked by whom.??? HLM is there for all those whose Faith has been thwarted, perverted and destroyed by the very poor catechesis the bishops of this country have perpetrated fore over 40 years. What do you think Bishop Lennons statement said if not condemning it, even if the Church may not elect to use that particular word in these modern days? I just looked at some of the messages and one of them has Jesus telling people to redeem themselves in his eyes. we have known about holy love since the 80s and we believe in those apparitions. Find me one half truth, just one. It is just that the handwriting is on the wall for all to see, if they choose to look. I can use all the prayers I can get. They are not under obligation to heed his advisement, unless the site is officially condemned by the Church. What of the many miracles and increased devotion so many experienced at apparitions site not approved by the Church? Guard me against all evil. So much so that when one such person DOES fulfill his office, the immediate outcry arises from a cancer that lays below. Her latest books areHoly Hacks: Everyday Ways to Live Your Faith & Get to HeavenandBig Hearted: Inspiring Stories from Everyday Families. Ive not read any recent posts about it anywhere since shortly after the Bishops condemnation of the place. The Journal reported that Kyle responded to Lennons decree by stating: We at Holy Love ministries are, and always have been, an ecumenical ministry. I am fighting for my true Faith of which the bishops of this country are trying to rob me. Theres another one out there, too, that some HDL devotees are gravitating to: Maria Divine Mercy or MDM. Perhaps you didnt know that what you said wasnt true. The local bishop is not final word on apparition sites and their approval. Holy Love 37137 Butternut Ridge Road, North Ridgeville, OH 44039 Sitemap, The Way to Heaven Through the Chambers of the United Hearts, Topical Studies & Additional Valuable Resources, Children of the United Hearts Association, Defending the Mission, Ministry and Apparitions, https://www.holylove.org/wp-content/uploads/Holy%20and%20Divine%20Love%20Messages%20-%20God%20the%20Fathers%20nuances%20and%20depth%20for%20each%20of%20the%20Ten%20Commandments%206%2024%20to%207%2013%202021.mp3, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOQVgl78hHA, HLM Intro-video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOQVgl78hHA), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHhUIYSermk, HLM 5min Overview Video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHhUIYSermk). Jesus told us that the gates of hell would not prevail against his Church and he promised to send the Paraclete to keep the Church free from error. The only reference you cited is your book. My point is that individual bishops can lead you away from what is of God. On the surface, everything about the site appears to be Catholic, but they are not Catholic. Nor did the Vatican assume that Bishop Zanics discernment was correct simply because he was the local bishop. I have been to the Holy Love site and love it and feel peace there. A young woman in 1858 received 3 visitations from Our Lady. Kudos! You might wish toreview the meaning of the these theological terms. Thats not the topic of this thread. But, we dont consecrate ourselves to the Cross. He and a partner formed a corporation and bought hundreds of acres of land through donations. Holy Love Ministry Messages by Topic. All this is holy in nature but is not proof of authenticity of purported apparitions. 2021 Holy Love Messages "Each and every person that walks the face of the earth is My child and I am their Mother. Therefore, stand guard over your hearts and know that the grace of My Heart will see you through every situation. I think as a math instructor I understood it could contain more chambers as well? He too advised people against going there. St. Thomas goes on to say we fail in obedience when we fall prey to imbalance in one of two ways: either by defectwhich is a refusal to obey a legitimate comm command, or by excess which is an obedience-no-matter-what. Our Lord and His Mother lead us into the Church, not away. You are mixing up forgiving hurts and evils that are done to us with condoning sin. People, please do the research. Then the clouds closed over the sun. @LizEst:disqus, if you would like, please feel free to E-mail me privately. It is when Rome itself speaks officially that the matter will be finished. I do not know what I said Harry. Too often, after apparitions are condemned people feel betrayed and give up on God and the Church. 5:8-9). You are too nice, LizEst. @3221: Here we have an example of a double standard. Rosary for the Unborn - Holy Love Ministry Messages by Topic God warns us about judging others and I think he means it. Several members of Sweeneys small ministry became disillusioned and left.. I was taken aback by the rubbish that was in some of these messages. The Holy Love messages are promoting nothing but good, which makes everything against it evil. Our Lady is preserving our beautiful Faith that the bishops are letting die through their ineptitude and cowardice. It apparently also makes some Catholics so prideful that theyve decided they know better than the Church, i.e. This is EXACTLY how Satan uses seemingly good things for his end. 3221 believes that St. This does not sound like a unified condemnation story, now does it? In order to protect their souls. Consider the options the devil has available to trap faithful Catholics? Loyalty to the Church has never meant disregarding Truth. Youre welcome! She HAS judged and you are told to stay away. On Holy Love Ministries | EWTN Gary Yanus, Judicial Vicar Diocese of Cleveland, since Bishop Lennon was recovering from surgery. To be honest, I tried my best to fully experience the site (however, I was already in a sour mood due to lack of sleep). look at luther and especially king henry and st thomas moore. We do not use condemn so much nowadays and we owe the change of language to Pope John XXIII. You may enjoy this one: http://rcspiritualdirection.com/blog/. You do not know what God would do. No,Harry, I do not need to dig for dirt, the dirt is obvious for all to see. This idea exalts claimed private revelation as if it were necessary not only for the plan of God, but for the Return of Jesus. Many bishops DO APPROVE and are actually involved in HLM. Would Jesus and His Blessed Mother and the saints choose Sweeney-Kyle to give the Catholic Church a tongue-lashing? Unlike Holy Love Ministries, he was faithful and obeyed. The message here is so simple love God and neighbor as yourself.i thank God he gives us all our free will and pray from the bottom of my heart for wisdom and heavenly discernment for all. He too admonished people to stay away from it. In that consecration to God, we can accept the Cross, help bear the cross, follow the way of the Cross. Its interesting to read some of the defenders and their circular logic. Yes there are good orthodox bishops, but soon they will have to disassociate themselves from the corruption of the USCCB. Or were they frauds who gave only an outward appearance of religious devotion? The fact that Bishop Lennon wont provide me or others any concrete evidence of why he has made this decision makes me very skeptical of his decision. Speaking of which, werent you just commenting on being judgmental since people dont know what is in their hearts? This site is a refuge of HOLY LOVE for us. If the time comes when people realize the messages are false, there is a risk that they will feel duped by religion and turn away entirely. Does it not seem a bit odd that Jesus would be speaking about what he calls the Angel Chip, the dark chip, that Satan is preparing and in the near future, we all will have inserted under the skin, and Satan will then be able to control our minds by it. Thank you again. God bless youand Blessed Advent! Will you gain fruit from disobedience to the bishop? If people were inspired or received what they believe to be miracles at this site, then praise be to God! Piety, prayer and good works are not lone criteria for authenticating heavenly revelations. Amen." dear Elizabeth, how is it that other bishops go there and pray regularly? But the consciences of the saints told them to obey their bishops and/or superiors when they were unfairly treated or disciplined. Dave, this is just perfect. The argument is as follows: Bishop Lennon only admonishes the faithful from going to HLM. The organization has been at odds with the Catholic Church almost from the start. The above is more about emotions and passions run amock than the practicing of Divine/Catholic Faith (to say nothing of Reason). Deliver us Lord, we pray, from every evil, graciously grant peace in our days, that, by the help of your mercy, we may be always free from sin and safe from all distress, as we await the blessed hope and the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ. (Embolism from Mass prayers). To think that messages are being sent by Him or the Blessed Mother, inspires them with the notion that they can get even closer by taking the messages to heart, visiting the shrines and getting near the visionaries. Did the early Chistians refuse to believe in Jesus because the local religious authorities objected? Once again, thank you for your witness and speaking boldly and clearly for the Church. If He wanted women priests, then wouldnt Mother Mary be the first priestess? You may be sinning against the Holy Spirit. If what is taught by an appointed servant of God (bishop, priest, or Pope) is contrary to Catholic teaching, they are not to be obeyed, but even publicly rebuked. If the bishop told you that the Holy Eucharist is only the Body and Blood of Jesus DURING Mass, would you believe and follow that? Please read the article agaian for the explanation. This blind stupidity that just obeying the bishopcorrupt or notcan lead one to getting swallowed by the wolveswho today are often in sheeps clothes. Apparitions at Holy Love Ministries Revisited. It makes it seems that the so-called messages are authentic. The bishop is obligated to teach what exactly is wrong at Holy Love Ministries, and he does not because he cannot. ..Jesus would embrace this Mission and would never discourage people from coming here to pray. Incidentally, I keep hearing about such bad doctrine from those who mock HLM.
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