It doesnt matter whether SIG is at fault or not. But breaking news here, skippy. One, the energy necessary to lift the striker-securing safety plunger may be insufficient due to a too-weak spring, or a too-light plunger, or some other design flaw, to reliably engage the plunger where it belongs. We will respect the ongoing investigation and will not offer further comment at this time, Bineau said. Got a 40 SW P320 SC on my hip now, got one in 9mm within reach, so far neither has decided to trip the sear without my help. The suit also cites other occurrences of "un-commanded" discharges with the 320 while holstered. ABC News ran two reports on the topic last week, highlighting one particular cop in Bridge City, Texas who is suing SIG for $15 million. So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. And then theres Gunter Walker, a civilian, who says his P320 fired on its ownwhen he placed the weapon down on his nightstand, shooting him through the palm of his left hand.. Was it his fault? The design was incorporated from Bruce Grays trigger kit around the time of the original drop safety fix. It has been flawless so far. DND/CAF is not in a position at this stage in its investigation to offer insight into the potential causes because our investigation scope is broader than the technical aspect pertaining to the unintended discharge of the pistol.. Hes like the arrogant star QB on your favorite football teamyeah, you would never want to spend a weekend with him at the lake cabin, but your franchise would be little to nothing without him. So does any of this mean theres something wrong with the P320? And yes, if I pulled some of those stunts, Id have my membership revoked. RKC, the first time someone presented me with a 1911 whose trigger rivaled my Pythons single action, I started wondering about that. Now when you lose your grip on lawn mowers or snow blowers they will not keep travelling foreword all by themselves. The round went downrange so nobody was hurt. Everyone remember the video of the DEA agent shooting himself while explaining that he was highly qualified to carry a gun? Aint been nothing but problems since the military dropped the 1911, what was it 85 year of trusted service? JTF-2 is the only unit in. 2) The p320 does have a half cocked notch. This gun had been voluntary upgraded. On February 19, 2021, Military.com reported: A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 a pistol that the Army's new sidearm is based on accidentally discharged, firing a 9mm bullet into his right leg. The 1911 had one added, the FN 1905 had one added in 1906. The Glocks trigger had caught on a fold in the leather holster and it pushed the trigger part way back. Finger on the trigger and muzzle discipline are sometimes unheralded. But Shatner? That could happen easily. Theyre the only product that is not. . Im reading about a moron who wraps a loaded firearm in a cloth and stuff it in a gym bag, and other dumb behavior that tells me the weapon isnt the problem but the user. Just because someone shoots hyper-unrealistic 3 gun competition, subscribes to Recoil magazine and routinely watches their fave rave YouTube cult of personality channel shill for the latest company that paid him off doesnt make them a [emailprotected]$$. There was no holster involved. You arent a gunfighter, either. Wheee!!. Unless they have to fire their weapon in an on-duty incident most officers only fire their weapons just before and/or at qualifications, which depending on the department are annual or semi-annual. When he opened the drawer the hinges pulled the Charters trigger. Fair enough. She claims that her holstered P320 pistol went off while she was carrying it in her purse. Much has been made of Nimoys Spock being the most popular character in TOS, but Id argue that without Shatners over-the-top swagger and brash manner, the balance would be lost. But the reality is that the military has been using the Sig P320 for almost 5 years and they show no signs of changing. With the 320, the striker is in full-cock position, and held there through the operation of the trigger sear and the positive striker-blocking safety. Just 3 days ago, a Florida Corrections recruit killed herself by a negligent discharge during firearms training. I could care but that came at the expense of reliability and safety. They admitted their problem and fixed it. Its pathetic how often these legal stunts work. This is this same company that couldnt build their own freaking rifles after multiple attempts (Sig SG550 series) when that rifle had been made in Switzerland for years without issue. According to Section 22.05 of the Texas Penal Code, engaging in deadly conduct with a firearm is considered a felony of the third degree. (The defect couldnt be duplicated after the crash.). They suck and Im awesome!, 2. Cars have so many electronics these days, who knows what could have gone wrong! The P320 pistol is a dog. Police officers (maybe) do an annual qualification and thats it. Personally they should have gone with the Glock, its not for me but is a proven gun. UPDATE:We were just made aware of YouTuber BoomStick Tactical who produced this video the day before our post published. Whether or not the suits have merit. This reminds me of when Gretchen Carlson sued Fox News for sexual harassment and she got 20 million dollars. I lost $150 dumping that gun and Sig instead of acknowledging that it had a problem and calling it a recall, denied all and everything and called it a voluntary upgrade., At my LGS a P320 just went off when one of the guys put it the counter when he set up a target. Hilton has filed a $15 million lawsuit alleging the P320 has a serious design and manufacturing flaw. Being highly trained doesnt eliminate stupidity. Either the gun is defective or its not. Another p320 "accidental discharge" - The Armory Life Forum I was tempted to buy one at one time but no more. Ron, To put it simply, they are expensive cheaply made junk. Trust a P365 with your life. Liberal, Conservative. In 2021 you would think a company would understand MIM metallurgy. Theres just too much other paraphernalia bouncing around in there. The best take on this subject is by the author himself: this is about slime lawyers looking to build a national narrative and get a few wins in, so they can more easily get the next win and the next one, the next one and so on. He said hes a gun owner and a concealed carry permit holder. And as far as Special Forces go, SF going to Glock has been documented as a bean counters solution to save money. brakes, remember? That is exactly why all civilized countries have Government Agencies that monitor companies that have a callus disregard for human life and are only interested in the quick buck. I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. Period. (unless theyre SWAT or something). It takes time for any new platform to work the kinks out. Im not even sure I would do that with my 92 or something else that can be both decocked and locked. Sigs bid was low because they were still pissed after being beat by Beretta in cost. These officers are not gunfighters. ABC ran their story on the P320 twice, but with some significant differences between the two reports. Did a Sig Sauer P320 Fire On Its Own? A Police Officer - 19FortyFive Let us look at the history of other consumer products. Funny how that works. PDs are dropping them from contracts. Sig started out rough, but a lot of agencies have decided that their modular chassis system is the way of the future. BTW it was HK that made the first polymer gun, Glock actually stole the idea for the G17 from them. Bagnell told TTAG that he believes the problem with the striker-fired P320 is an inadequate sear/striker connection (he has images he says illustrate this on his website). The Glock fails on both counts. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. congrats. A holstered base P320 allegedly had a mysterious accidental discharge without pulling the trigger. No picture for me. In 1974 if you bought a Colt 1911, you left the gun store and then immediately took it to your favorite gunsmith and said Make it work it with Super-Vels, please. You cant get away with that today. So it never had a history of a potential valid claim for ambulance chasers to work off of. Training and experience are not a talisman that magically prevents accidents. Sigs suck and my Glock is awesome!. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. This subject has two prongs; One is the negligence of those who have shot themselves with 320s through violations of Rule 2, the other the possible mechanical design failing of the gun. And have the dropping 320 go off? With the redesign, you would have to implement a LOT of force to move the trigger backwards. The Glocks lack of a manual safety has caused untold thousands of needless cripplings and death. SEPTA officer's handgun spontaneously fired in Philly's Suburban Station Dont care for them, not my jam. Too expensive to use their customers as beta testers. I mean hey, yelling about firearms preferences online is no more productive than discussing nerdy Star Trek stuff, is it? A too light 1911 as some use in competition or God Forbid for carry- could jump the sear if dropped. That a pistol will be carried in a way it shouldnt (say, in a gym bag or a purse). This website has been messed up all week so that might be the problem in replying. 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. Trigger is lighter than the Glock, it took years of aggressive training to reach the point of acceptable discharges with the Glock. But just the same- a gun going off from momentum? And those are exactly the kinds of plaintiffs who happen to make up the vast majority of the lawsuits filed against SIG. Marine vet ICE agent sues Sig Sauer for $10M claiming pistol shot him The hype leading up to the P365 was pretty intense and the LGS sold a bunch of those. I went to an outdoor public range with a local SWAT entry team leader. Special Forces pulls new pistols from service after soldier - CBC You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. Sounds like these officers and others are attempting to cover their posteriors. I agree that Glock is sitting on their laurels and has been for decades. Mechanical engagement of sear to striker not deep enough (wanted lighter, smoother trigger pull without giving it any hand workmanship required with the deep notch much safer classic systems made since 1900) Result another big fail. Sig Sauer Inc. has agreed to settle a class-action lawsuit over its P320 pistol, on which the Army 's Modular Handgun System is based. The problems associate with those pistols (and the P365) have long since been ironed out. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. saw the video, doesnt explain how it bypasses striker pin safety. OR some gorilla with more brawn than brains ignored the 40lb trigger pull they suddenly had to break the tab. Thinking its okay to wrap a loaded gun in a towel and toss it into a gym bag is what we get when departments refuse to hire candidates who score too high on IQ tests. I dont own a P320. Hey, Im sitting here staring at my P320, waiting for it to go bang! To give you an example of early self-propelled lawn mowers if you lost your grip on the handles the mower would not shut off and it would take off on its own right down the street all by itself. Why you and I are arguing over a gun that neither owns or will own, Fine. Miraculously, no one was hit by the bullet, which ricocheted around inside the vehicle. Pasco Deputy Fired Over Accidental Gun Discharge Fighting To - WUFT Zero in the affirmative. Upgrades are for things that didnt work right in the first place. Oh, if you another thread reader asking Wheres the Sig/Glock bashing? Infact you have to pay shipping cost to get that fixed even though its their screw up. Keep the phrase legal momentum in mind. They are plaintiffs versions of what they say happened. Inside the gun, a metal piece called the sear should keep the weapon from firing until the trigger is pulled. No autographs, No self taken pictures. Profits over reliability and you end up with junk. Another p320 "accidental discharge" - The Armory Life Forum But that's not working in the P320, he said. The P320s and P365s were junk, plain and simple. The lawsuit, filed Wednesday on behalf of . Sound familiar? Its interesting that ABC chose to leave that point out of one of their reports. And I suspect at end of day this recent P320 one will be identified as a negligent discharge or from weapons from 2017 where owners failed to . Glock is being sued too, because once loaded and a round is chambered, it also has a much lighter trigger than a DA/SA. My trust for Sig stopped after they produced the beloved Sig556xi Russian. People who had problems have been replacing them with Lightning Strike SS ones. And the idea some random comment section P320 hater thinks theyre smarter & more knowledgeable than the Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard and Marine Corp combined regarding military pistol selection is just freaking laughable! The VIP screening with the meet and greet was like $600. All chasing that pot of gold at the end of litigation.. Not that big of a stretch when considering the lawyers beating the bushs for clients to add to the lawsuits, and the fact many of them will lose their jobs if its proven to NOT be the gun, but instead negligence on their part. The one officer in the ABC story had it wrapped in a rag in his gym bag? He had to be reprimanded by the range officer twice for unsafe handling of his pistol. 2. Bagnell is representing a number of the police officers who have filed suits against SIG for un-commanded discharges, but wouldnt disclose the exact number. I lost $200 on a gun that had less then 1000 rounds through it but I could care. My gun just went off! At least the Gorilla is still evolving while the Far Right proved to be an evolutionary dead end, one of natures mistakes. MIM strikers made in India and put into Sigs. How many times did Shatner actually watch it? 3. The U.S. manufacturer went a step further in its statement Friday, stating without evidence or attribution, that the timing of the article was intended to undercut its chances in the federal governments upcoming bid to replace all of the handguns in both the military and RCMP. These lawsuits arent about Sig making a defective weapon, theyre about lawyers building a nationwide consensus in civil trial that makes it easier (and more lucrative) to soak gunmakers. And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? If you want to find the lowest form of life on the planet interview any C.E.O. Police officers do NOT get a lot of training unless theyre doing it on their own time at their own expense. SIG Sauer, a German weapons maker with its U.S. headquarters in Newington, N.H., issued a statement Friday in response to a CBC News report earlier this week that revealed the Nov. 5, 2020, incident and the fact the weapon, the SIG P320, had been withdrawn from service while the military conducts an investigation. All those customers who paid $1600 now had a limited function paper weight. The claim basically boils down to the notion that in normal, unconcerning operation, a foreign body entered the striker body. While we dont have the actual numbers of similar lawsuits filed against other gun makers actually no one individual or organization seems to keep track of these things and gun makers dont want to talk about it it seems highly likely that every major firearm manufacturer gets its share of a regular flow of lawsuits filed by both civilians and LEOs who claim SHAZAM! The company didnt want to comment on any specific pending litigation for obvious reasons. Sounds like most of these cases were off-body carry. It SHOULD have more engagement width wise, but often doesnt due to things being rounded or out of square. The moral of all of this is the reason Sig got the military contract was because they were selling guns at close to cost, they underbid Glock by a significant margin. But now, P320 is the subject. Where is this lightning striking twice? I still own them all. This guy had been working at the LGS for over a decade and never had an AD or ND, he was the strictest when it came to safety. I am also very much a DS9 fan, best series overall. Glock's and Sig P320 are all designated as Double-Action-Only fire control mechanisms. Anyway there was one good thing to come from those movies, The USS Vengeance. Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. I have no idea. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. Google Keith Slatowski, is he lying also? They wouldnt have adopted it if was. The sheriff's office said its investigation found no mechanical problems with its deputy's gun. https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan in Capitalvania. Note the addition of ominous background music in the second seven-minutes-longer version (there was no music in the Good Morning America version). I continue to bet my life on them. He would have been booted after the first time, but being a cop comes with some special privileges. I dont know nothing about Sigs, I do know any gunm that goes off when I lay it on a table gets sold with a warning and I never touch that brand or model again. LOL! Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. You need a lead that can be the lightening rod and not be afraid to make an ass of themselvesit give the watcher permission to take it seriously. The second accidental shooting happened after police supervisors internally raised questions about the safety of the SIG Sauer P320. is the manual safety a kit you add? NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. At the risk of sounding superstitious lets review Sigs latest turd pistol. A shame but then no one was hurt. Theyre cheering for a noose around their own precious Glocks throat. Its also beyond debate that current production Sig quality is drastically inferior to what it once was, particularly the German made pieces. It was expensive. They didnt have to, but did. Being prosecuted and convicted of a third degree felony in Texas can lead to: Incarceration in a Texas state prison for a term of two years or up to 10 years. CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. Contacted late Friday, a spokeswoman for special forces said the investigation is still ongoing and would not confirm the companys findings. I call b-s on all these my gun magically went off. That said, I own multiple P320s, but all of them have the manual safety due to personal preference. The current allegations, then, are different, claiming that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. . Note also that ABC didnt provide any context for the number of suits filed against SIG. Is there any major military anywhere that ever issued one of their guns? Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. There are several stories about her in the news for various no reasons, she must be throwing them out by a dozen. Canadian soldier wounded by accidental discharge used wrong - CBC Wont last!. SIG just cannot seem to make a striker fired pistol that doesnt have issues. The sear cams it back a teeny bit. A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. If it were a lowered tier manufacturer like a Taurus having allegations made against them, people would run with it without thinking twice. (b) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor. Sig Sauer P320 9mm Gun: The US Army Loves It But There Is a Problem As a result, the P320s were withdrawn from service, leaving the JTF-2 with their older P226s. The guys at the LGS saw only one broken striker but it confirmed what the manager who had the P320 go off and my thoughts. Does the P365 have a similar reputation for spontaneous - SIG Talk As they should. I know there are those who will vehemently disagree with me, and even disparage me but I have been following this issue from early on, BUT I recall CLEARLY that there have been dozens and dozens of discharges that could not be attributed to operator error and people experiencing these uncommanded discharges both before AND after getting the trigger upgrade. I used to laugh at his bragging about how skilled he was with a weapon.. Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves.. The Hide Armory. My elderly aunt drove her Volvo into a parked car, and the yard behind it, and the house behind that, while she was pressing the brake as hard as she could. Strangely the car kept accelerating, almost as if she were flooring the gas pedal. I guess none got her the attention she wanted and a national coverage so she went in for the bang. But were way past the days of major league, internationally known gunmakers turning out complete crap, selling it and the public living with it. Sig makes a damn fine weapon and theres nothing wrong with it. Oct 20, 2022 #36 ; vh20 said: . And many departments across the country have had to lower their standards for passing qualifications just to be able to hire on and keep officers. there is no better. PSA-P320 Accidental Discharge Threads | SIG Talk Effectively: you must be this dumb to get this job. But when you set a gun down on a table, and the damn thing goes off seconds after you let go, that sounds like a defective gun. I think in the end even if there is no mechanical defect (dont hold your breath) it will be found that the Sig is causing accidental discharges for the same reason the Glock does, because if you snag the trigger on the Sig model that does not have a manual safety (some do) the gun will accidentally fire. If it were the guns, there would be thousands of cases involving citizensbut there arent. Sig P320 discharge while holstered | Sniper's Hide Forum Second, every gun maker has made lemons in the past. Bineau added the review is looking at so-called ancillary equipment (meaning the holster and other items) as one element of that broader investigation. So, unlike the Serpa holster debate, Im a believer that there is more going on than meets the eye with the P320 and is exactly why I refrained from buying one, why I still wont own one, and why I steer people away from it.
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